Migraine and neck pain

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OK, so this is one of the last posts from the notes that I took during the Migraine World Summit that took place at the beginning of 2024.  This summary is of the presentation by Dr Rashmi Singh, a professor of neurology at the Mayo Clinic in Arizona.

It was agreed that many people with migraine have neck pain; it is a very common symptom.  Sometimes it is part of their migraine and sometimes it is a separate problem. Dr Singh noted it is important to ‘tease out’ the cause and effects of neck pain.

Neck issues can be raised as a symptom of what comes up as part of a migraine, but it can also be the first symptom they experience as a clue that one is on the way, and sometimes it appears in between migraine attacks. 

Dr Singh said it is important to remember that there are other conditions that generate pain problems in the neck, so it is not necessarily ALWAYS migraine related. 

If it IS part of migraine, she said to think of it as a ‘referred pain’ – migraine is a problem of pain processing, and the migraine-brain gives and receives inputs to and from the neck that say ‘pain’.

When she talks to her patients about it, she talks about the variety of symptoms and then focuses on the neck, it needs to be a holistic approach.

[Disclaimer – remember, I’m not a healthcare worker – please see a doctor for more information that is specific to your personal situation.]

There is also a thing called ‘occipital neuralgia’ which is a headache disorder that occurs when the nerves at the top of your spine (that run into your scalp) become inflamed.  It can be related to migraine but also problems in the neck itself.  It tends to be in a very specific location, and creates sharp, shooting pain, as well as tenderness over the spinal or skull ‘notches’.  One potential treatment is physical therapy or else a nerve block.

‘Cervicogenic headache’ is similar, but instead of staying at the skull-spine location, it moves from the soft tissues of the neck up and over one side of your head.  It can look like arthritis, and lead to structural problems that can then cause headaches.

Dr Singh spoke about ‘TMD’ (which means temporomandibular disorders) – which in simple terms, are the conditions which relate to the jaw joints, its muscles and ligaments.  You might be a tooth-grinder, or feel clicking when you move your jaw, or clicking when you eat, and this can then create referred pain, including migraine.

There is so much interaction between pain in one area of the head and neck, which can influence pain in other parts of your head and neck.  Overlapping symptoms can make accurate diagnosis difficult.  People often have other neck issues that are separate to, and predate, their migraine conditions.

Clinical examination can see if there is jaw clicking, neck mobility, or head tenderness.  She also asks how long symptoms persists.  So, for example, if neck pain persists, independent of episodic migraines, then there might be neck problems.  Or, conversely, if migraine medication removes pain in the head, and the neck, simultaneously, then the neck pain is probably a symptom.

First, she takes a careful history, then undertakes a careful physical examination, then decide what’s the right test to take (if needed), and then decides if migraine treatment is enough, or do we need to employ the help of other specialists.  Additional steps of diagnosis might include imaging, xrays, and/or an MRI.

Tests to be sure the migraine is not a structural issue, might include ear tests, eye tests, dental checks, allergy tests, all designed to eliminate other conditions; we don’t want to miss anything that’s going on, and there can be other issues that are happening that require other testing.

Dr Singh was asked could jaw pain be a trigger or the result of migraine?  Dr Singh said she would ask if it’s a predictable migraine symptom.  If the soreness is infrequent and only happens with migraine, then it’s probably part of migraine.  But if the jaw-pain is frequent and not tied to migraines, then maybe there is a separate problem.  That said… the separate problem can still be contributing to the migraines.  Dr Singh noted an interdisciplinary approach can be helpful.  Patients can think about their migraine treatment plan and what is helpful, then keep communicating with a doctor to discuss ‘next steps’.  The patient needs to communicate what’s getting better and what’s getting ‘left over’ when they take their migraine medication.  Conversely, if the neck pain is going away but not their jaw, then again, pivot in that direction for advice.

[You can download my trigger-tracker-diary here if you like.]

There are other issues for why a person’s neck might be sore, including degenerative causes, such as arthritis, that become more prevalent with age. 

Treatment options include everything from neuromodulation devices, medicine, injections, all the way through to surgery.  Preventative migraine medications should be helpful, but there might be additional neck pain meds.

Non-pharmalogical approaches (depending on the needs of the patient) might include; physical therapy, relaxation therapy can help, or a nightguard / splint for teeth, perhaps jaw exercises. 

When asked if chiropractic treatment was an option, Dr Singh raised a concern that rapid neck movement / manipulation has a rare risk of causing stroke, so she would caution against that… “rare is rare, but not zero” she said – risk is still present, so massage or physical therapy would be safer.

In terms of neck surgery, she said that as a neurologist she would not recommend it, because it doesn’t always eliminate the pain, especially if there are other issues at play: it has big risks with no guarantee of return.  (There is a jaw surgery which she didn’t discuss, but was less concerned about because it was not associated with someone’s spinal chord.)

She said the best thing to do to avoid neck pain for migraines (or in general) was to stay as active as possible and move towards a healthy lifestyle.

In a similar way that I came up with the anacronym SWANEY, she had a different one:

SEEDS = Sleep / exercise / eat (well) / (keep a) diary / (reduce) stress

She concluded her interview by recognizing that the word ‘exercise’ can be intimidating when we are in pain or fearful of pain, but reminded listeners that it can it be low impact – yes absolutely “give yourself grace in those moments of pain” she said – or as her colleague says, “plan for more opportunities”. We know our limitations, so try for 10 minutes every day, knowing that might not be possible, but it still makes it easier to hit the goal.

She closed by noting that from a self-care perspective, you want to minimize the impact of migraine on your life and empower yourself to live life better.

Sounds good to me.

Take care, carefully, Linda x


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33 responses to “Migraine and neck pain”

  1. James Viscosi Avatar

    We never figured out a trigger for mine. The very first one I ever got was after a boat ride in Alexandria Bay where I was near the motor and had to breathe in a lot of oil fumes, but obviously that was not a common occurrence …

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      Smelly petrochemicals, motion sickness, possible heatstroke and dehydration – possibly all of them could have been triggers… and I also can get it from by body being wriggly-jiggly which puts pressure on my neck and back and leaves me sad and sore and sorry… what a shame though that your day out was ruined by a migraine – curious – did anyone you know have them; like did you understand what was happening at the time??

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      1. James Viscosi Avatar

        My dad used to get migraines when he was younger and I was with my family so he was there, but since I had never had a migraine before nobody quite grasped how bad it was until I ended up vomiting. Then my dad was like oh, yeah, I remember that …

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          OK, that makes sense. I’m going to blog about my first one soon – I was away from home, so no one knew what was happening, but when I got home, mum just put me to bed and sighed; “migraine”. Here’s hoping it’s a distant memory for all of us one day! xox

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  2. Writer McWriterson Avatar

    Most of my migraines are accompanied by neck pain, so I found this insight interesting. I’ve noticed that practicing yoga has helped, as my posture is terrible, and I know that’s a big part of the issue. Stress is another major factor—when I’m stressed, it affects how I sit and carry myself, which only makes things worse.

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      It is a vicious knot that we tie ourselves in – when I feel sick, I’m so tired I “slump”… but slumping is really bad for our posture, breathing, and yep – neck!! Know that you’re not alone in this, but the fact that you’re aware of doing it is a big step in the right direction!! xox

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      1. Writer McWriterson Avatar

        Yes! Vicious knot, indeed. It is very nice to know that we aren’t alone. 😘❤️

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        1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

          🥰🌞🤩

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  3. joannerambling Avatar

    I often have a pain in the neck first thing in the morning but thankfully he goes to work………..lol

    Seriously I do get a lot of neck pain often with a headache but thankfully not a migraine and I found this post interesting

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      🤣(took me a while!)

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  4. Stephanie Avatar
    Stephanie

    Thank you for the trigger tracker. This is interesting info to have as well.

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      You’re so welcome – hope it helps, L xox

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  5. Samantha Joe "Sambuca" Woessner Avatar

    I have a headache now… I have the clicking of the jaw, and the neck pain. I guess that after I check my email, I will try and go back to sleep…

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      Oh no! I only just found you in my spam… how strange… I hope you’re OK now, xox

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      1. Samantha Joe "Sambuca" Woessner Avatar

        I sometimes will get headaches when my blood sugars are low… 🙂 I’m fine now..

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          Oh I’m so glad – low bloodsugar is one of my triggers too! xox

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  6. My Mindfulness Journey Blog Avatar

    Thank you for sharing these valuable insights from Dr. Rashmi Singh’s presentation. It’s fascinating to learn about the connection between migraines and neck pain, as well as the various conditions that can influence symptoms. I appreciate the reminder about the importance of a holistic approach and communication with healthcare providers.

    It’s also helpful to consider the role of self-care—especially the SEEDS acronym. Staying active can be a challenge, but your suggestions inspire a positive outlook on managing pain.

    Looking forward to reading more!

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  7. lbeth1950 Avatar

    Boy, it must be such a challenge to advocate for yourself through all this.

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      My attitude doesn’t waver much, just my energy levels – I spend a lot of time sleeping!!

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  8. Laura Avatar

    I suffer with both neck pain and migraine, the worst!

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      Oh no – it really is a dreaded combo (and a bit chicken-and-egg… I’m never 100% whether my sore neck is a cause or a symptom!!)

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      1. Laura Avatar

        That’s actually true too, especially when it travels over your face, jaw, neck, etc

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        1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

          Excatly – just when I think I must have slept on my pillow badly to give myself a crook-neck, I realize my face is sore – etc etc – which is why I’m pretty sure they’re all part of a potluck of symptoms!!

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  9. Sara Allwright Avatar

    Yes, I’m a need to know person. With both OPs, I wanted to know everything… so I used the Mayo Clinic for a lot of insight into the issues and the operations themselves.
    Knowledge is power, and yes, you feel more in control!
    Defo on the same page 🤗🤗xx

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      👏🤩👏

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  10. Miriam Hurdle Avatar

    It was a great summit with helpful information. Thanks for sharing, Linda!

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      I think I only went to about 50% of the sessions and learnt SO much! Happy to pass on what I could keep up with! xox

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  11. Sara Allwright Avatar

    Great information, Linda. Thank you 👍😁x

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    1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

      It was a little bit hard to keep up with the doctor, but I think I got most of it – hope it helps, Linda xx

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      1. Sara Allwright Avatar

        Definitely helps…you done a great job! 👍
        I’m often on the Mayo Clinic website.
        Thank you, Linda xx

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        1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

          Mayo is great, and I also like ClevlandClinic.Org
          💜

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          1. Sara Allwright Avatar

            Yes, I’ve also checked them out… Mayo tends to be my go to for info.
            I’ve had two major spinal ops…and Mayo was great for info!

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            1. The Mindful Migraine Blog Avatar

              Oh wow – ouch!! I really do think that knowledge is empowering… I’ve written before that I used to feel like a healthcare ‘loser’ because I knew nothing about my condition and was totally unequipped to help myself… learning more made me feel more in control… the pain was still there, but I wasn’t as frightened or frustrated anymore because I understood it better. Sounds like you’re very much on the same page – woo hoo! xx

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